Heroes at Work, Saved a Child from a Kidnapper

Heroes at Work

Gabe listens and asks questions as I take him back to 1998, where I was a four year call taker. The Thurston High School shooting was my first big event in law enforcement. Gabe was surprised by the technology and logistical issues, as was I looking back ;).    After the worst call of my four year career, I didn’t know what to expect.  I felt the emotional rollercoaster most of us experience but, I did not understand how much it affected me. It was years later I put it all together.  Secondary trauma– having a name for it is so powerful. 

Gabe puts in gaming terms, trauma is like d8 medium damage in D&D.  

“There’s a pool of health and there is only so much you can take,” Gabe explains.

Gabe and I had shared our plans in case he ended up in a school shooting. 

We go on to share our Miracle story of true heroes.  Two angel citizens who saved a girl from a would-be kidnapper.  They called 911 as they were in pursuit of the suspect who tried to snatch a child. I was privileged to take their call and provide the link between them and the officers burning down the roads to get to the suspect.  Thanks to these amazing citizens they made sure he did not get away. The bad guy did not stand a chance as all agencies were ON IT.   NOT ON OUR WATCH.   I am eternally grateful for the citizens and officers' combined efforts to save this little girl.   

Being the right person at the right time and acting without worry for oneself is a true hero.  Blessed are the Good Samaritans.  

Our Theme song: 

https://pixabay.com/music/beats-jazzy-abstract-beat-11254/

LINKS: 

Dr. Les Carter Surviving Narcissism 

https://youtu.be/q7Dnqxqoo5o

Walter Cronkite https://g.co/kgs/115ZCT

FRONTLINE  on Kipland Kinkel, The Killer at Thurston High School 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/

President Clinton comes to Springfield, Oregon to pay respects to the families to Thurston High School shooting. 

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/13/clinton.radio/

Springfield Police: 

Suspect in attempted child abduction killed self as officers closed in

https://nbc16.com/news/local/springfield-police-suspect-in-attempted-child-abduction-killed-self-as-officers-closed-in

24 Self-Soothing Techniques 

https://positivepsychology.com/self-soothing/

Thanks for Listening. Leave Us a Message https://www.podpage.com/echo-of-connections/

Transcript

Gabe Hansen  0:01  
Hello and welcome to the echo connections podcast. With your hosts me, Gabe Hansen and my mother, Nan Hansen. Hello, and welcome. Welcome. We're on Episode Five, five. Feels like we've come far. Yeah, but also not that far. Sometimes.

Dawn Hansen  0:17  
Yeah. Our journeys

Gabe Hansen  0:19  
quick. That's for me at least. But anyways, for this episode, we want to jump straight into the heavy topic that we thought we're gonna wait a little bit.

Dawn Hansen  0:32  
I'm not sure there's

Gabe Hansen  0:33  
I completely forgot one more thing about podcast topics earlier. You had said you had a good miracle story.

Dawn Hansen  0:39  
I had a good miracle story.

Gabe Hansen  0:43  
I don't remember you said to remind you. Oh, shoot. I'm good miracle story was from work because last week here, okay. Well, you know, whatever we get to we don't get to whatever

Dawn Hansen  0:55  
you have to in that part.

Gabe Hansen  0:59  
Anyways, you want to jump straight into the topic at hand, the topic at hand.

Dawn Hansen  1:05  
So a couple of things I wanted to say just a little bit before that one is a big thank you to the guests that we've had on our podcast so far. Tracy commissar whose episode has been our most popular so far, and held a lot of fun record. That was a lot of fun. A lot of funny a lot of laughter. Yeah, a little spray. Shout out to Tracy. And a shout out to our other guests who have agreed to be on the show. Yep. And to Helen Zubov, whose episodes comes out July 1, which will be after this is out. But we're super grateful for her coming on our podcast, and had a great time we did and I learned a lot. Yeah, I

Gabe Hansen  1:42  
learned a ton.

Dawn Hansen  1:43  
Oh my gosh, I become a huge fan of Dr. Les Carter on narcissism. I watched it every day.

Gabe Hansen  1:50  
I don't know how I missed it. But it wasn't until editing that episode that because you'd already sent me the link to what's his channel?

Dawn Hansen  1:59  
Narcissism to start surviving narcissism yet. Yeah.

Gabe Hansen  2:03  
You sent me a link to one of his videos before I edited that episode. So I was like, how did you get on to editing that episode? I was like, Oh, this is where you found the channel. Okay. She had said

Dawn Hansen  2:13  
he's got tons of things on YouTube. And he does. He's got tons of information. And what's really great is that his take is just one of simply positivity like yours. Here's the issue. You get to make choices, but the best thing we can do is make boundaries for ourselves about what we're willing to accept, not accept. And I love that idea of having good boundaries, which is challenging for me.

Gabe Hansen  2:39  
Well, I think he lays out the information of whatever the topic of the video is. So well, yeah, yeah. He just gives you the 12 point list of whatever XR narcissism is. Or whatever. Yeah.

Dawn Hansen  2:50  
Yeah. Like covert and invert. And when we watched yesterday, which I can't think of the name. The baffling.

Gabe Hansen  2:58  
Yeah, crap. Yeah, that one.

Dawn Hansen  3:01  
I posted it up on LinkedIn, because it was such a good, good podcast. I mean, the YouTube video. So anyway, so our, what has happened with the podcast, was what we were hoping for, which was to find new information, learn new stories. And you know, there's a lot of people who are out in the world dealing with trauma and need help, or don't even know they have trauma. Right. And Helen's definition of trauma

Gabe Hansen  3:30  
is it's been kind of world shaping or changing or

Dawn Hansen  3:34  
whatever. Yeah. What was it? She said? Anything that makes you stuck, right, or something like that? Anything that bothers you keeps rolling.

Gabe Hansen  3:42  
I was butcher trying to quote something but Right.

Dawn Hansen  3:45  
Yeah. But I learned I learned. Yeah, I still I think the spoon stuck in the garbage disposal works for me. Because the visual, I can totally see it here at the little the little. So yeah, everybody has their thing that we need to work through. But what's nice, and what I hope our podcast does is gives options and ideas. Like we are trying we're going to talk about school shooting, which is the Thurston high school shooting that Tracy had mentioned that happened may 21, in 1998. Tracy had been working at 911. And I was working at the police department, Springfield Police were that was the primary agency that responded. So I guess we'll dive into that. Are you okay? Yeah. Because there's a lot of school shootings, and there's a lot of Yeah, even since 1998, which is a long time ago. Such a long time ago. He

Gabe Hansen  4:34  
woke up when the first school shooting happened. Yeah, what they officially call the first like, it's gonna be the 1800s Probably. Yeah. Oh, no, it's gonna be a musket related school. But anyways,

Dawn Hansen  4:48  
I don't remember them in my you know, I don't but of course, we didn't watch the news like we do. Now. It wasn't. Yeah, it's just different. news media has

Gabe Hansen  4:57  
24 hour news cycle. When did that start?

Dawn Hansen  4:59  
Oh gosh, I don't. I don't know. It seems to me like we were watching Walter Cronkite one day. Yeah, he was CBS News. He's like, Yeah, any list of school shootings like, you go to Wikipedia and starts in 2013 was in 1988.

Gabe Hansen  5:15  
Yeah, when Columbine was before as well, which a lot of people determine is like, the not the first modern school shooting, but it's the earliest people tend to remember.

Dawn Hansen  5:24  
And what I remember about Columbine, is that it was the first look at what not to do in a school shooting. Like how to respond, right? And how agency Yeah, and how an agency should respond, which, of course, is a whole nother topic that I'm not going to get into. I'm not here to judge, I'm just here to share experience everybody

Gabe Hansen  5:44  
has, I would like to go into the facts about Thurston because I don't actually know anything about it. But it happened and like,

Dawn Hansen  5:51  
and it's gonna, I'm gonna put a little preface before this, this is my version of events. I'm not going for accuracy. There's some things that will be accurate for me. But there's some things that won't be. Because I, you know, it's my memory of things. There's a lot of people who experienced it firsthand, and, you know, whatever it takes, yeah, exactly. And so at that, and that really what I want to talk about, I'll talk about what happened, but then the emotional response afterwards, because I think that's a lot of what people in different school shootings in different places that have had mass casualty events, which I'm truly sorry, for. I understand the feeling I'm not saying I feel exactly the same way. But I can certainly tell you what the process was like for me. So that's the goal. Where it sort of messed it up for you going when I when you became a person in 1999, how I was jaded, and probably over protective. Oh, so there's that issue, parenting boy, such as Shonda, so under Thurston High School, so in 1998, I had in January of that year, gone from being in the records division to working in the dispatch center, where at the time, we had six dispatchers, so we worked by ourselves, most like three days of the week, sometimes more, but usually three days of our week, we were by ourselves. And so in May of 1998, because there's interesting happened may 21, I was at my academy, a two week academy, which was in the neighboring city in Eugene, and was put on by the 911 center that Tracy worked for. So as I'm at that training, I can't I think we're in our second week of training. There's this all happened very early in the morning, like, right as before school started. So we had all got there at, you know, got there by 730, quarter to eight. And by 810 820. We were receiving information that Springfield was dealing with a school shooting, which we didn't all I mean, at the time, I didn't really know what they meant. Yeah, back in 98. I was like, okay, so somebody went to a school and shot somebody. Yeah, I was picturing like, a one person targeted event targeted event, because where I went to school that happened sometimes not a mass shooting, but I like drug deal gone bad shooting. Yeah. So that's what went through my mind. And then I think it was probably 20 minutes later that the director for 911 came in and said, Hey, Springfield, folks, you should go back over. And so we tried to call our agency and all of the trunk phone lines were busy, which I've only had that experience happened one other time. And that was during a an earthquake where the phone lines nobody could get through, because everybody tried to call at the exact same time. What it was that the earthquake event happened? Gosh,

Gabe Hansen  8:43  
I don't remember an earthquake in my lifetime. Really?

Dawn Hansen  8:46  
It was a small earthquake.

Gabe Hansen  8:47  
That's what I mean. Like, I don't remember an earthquake. warranting?

Dawn Hansen  8:50  
People's reaction is to call the police for an earthquake. I don't really know why.

Gabe Hansen  8:54  
I mean, if there's damage or if you need help, sure. But

Dawn Hansen  8:57  
to find out if did we have an earthquake? That's very common.

Gabe Hansen  9:03  
I remember, we may have had an earthquake one time and I personally had to look it up.

Dawn Hansen  9:07  
Yeah, right. Well, that's this this era is before the internet really was a thing like people had internet but you didn't Google answers like 2008 or prior? Yeah, yeah. Would have been like 2002.

Gabe Hansen  9:20  
Oh, yeah. Even just go to Google, like look up to me really quick today.

Dawn Hansen  9:23  
Or like when we had the windstorm, you know, the phone lines were jammed up on that one, by the way, like you off track. That's okay. Anyway, so Thurston tried to call back to the police department and all the phone lines are jammed. So we there was three of us that were in training at the time, and one of them is still I still work with her Tiffany. So she and I were in the academy together. And so we went, we went back to work, and it was a madhouse, I imagine Yeah. I looked into dispatchers I didn't work in there at the time of field like I did, but I wasn't trained for it. I was trained but not officially cut loose. So I couldn't just go in there and work on my own and they Was the person, the main dispatcher who was there for the entire event was all by herself. So during this crazy chaotic time with phone calls and radio traffic and all of this stuff happening, she was by herself. But the very experienced dispatcher, heard that this had happened. And did. She just went to the police department and plugged in. So that was covered. And so the phone lines out in the non emergency, which is records, were going crazy. Every phone line, if you'd hung up the phone, it would ring hung up the phone, it would ring and my supervisor at the time, was old school, and was very blunt with people and they would call in and basically would tell them, yeah, yeah, that's right. We have a school shooting, you guys are just gonna have to wait and figure it out. And some cell phones, some people had cell phones, but not everybody did. Kids generally didn't have cell phones.

Gabe Hansen  10:50  
Was this the era of the Nokia?

Dawn Hansen  10:52  
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be about right. The Nokia phones and you know, a lot of people had those. Yeah, some emergency service like sergeants. And if you had a cell phone, you had a Nokia? Yeah, I think that's true. You didn't

Gabe Hansen  11:05  
Yeah, not Well, kids

Dawn Hansen  11:06  
didn't have Oh, no. So whereas people were calling in what's you know, terrified was my kid there was it wasn't my kid. Was it my kid? Was it my kid. We hadn't quite triaged where to have parents meet their kids. There's a traffic jam that's happening on where the school is. I never thought about that before the ambulance we did know the ambulance has got in there and took people away. But then they have detectives that are going in trying to help figure out what's happening.

Gabe Hansen  11:30  
Never thought about the after. It's all said and done. How do you like how do you think get kids home? figure out who's you know,

Dawn Hansen  11:37  
the aftermath would be terrible. The traffic in every major incident traffic becomes Yeah, the thing that I I never thought about it either. Until anyway, but a couple different incidents, but this is one of them. So they ended up shutting down the entire campus and then having there was a church right across the street from there still is across the street from the school, where parents were able to meet. So we started taking names down to try to match people up. Like, you know, okay, Johnny Smith, okay, your your son Susie, or your son Susie, your daughter, Susie, son, whatever, they will meet you here, they'll meet you there. But that didn't really last very long, it didn't really work very well. And so they finally just put out to the media, like put out on the radio and put it everywhere we could meet up at the church, while the church parking lot can't hold up any people either. So the overflow, I can't even imagine what it was like out on the scene,

Gabe Hansen  12:29  
I would have done it like, hey, if your last name is like a to you meet at church, if it's and Z you meet at like, but a

Dawn Hansen  12:38  
lot of parents were on their way. You know. So that was the that was the other issue is that the the emergent issue was, and this was before social media. So there's no Facebook, there's no Insta, there's

Gabe Hansen  12:50  
the masses, like out of like a tweet, right? It's sort

Dawn Hansen  12:53  
of a plus and a minus because they were able to control the dialogue and the narrative a little bit, but not Yeah, anyway. So there's every every issue has its other issue. So and to backup, the Thurston High School story a little I'll go back to the back eventually, but I'll just finish this part. So the phone lines are just crazy. We every kind of media, every kind of everything you can imagine the City Hall is trying to get a hold of us because they're basically a city block between us and the City Hall. And the city manager wanted to talk to somebody in command to know what was going on, because they're getting overwhelmed with media calls as well. And so I had arranged a cell phone number, again, very rare a cell phone number to one person I knew up at City Hall, who was going to connect that to the city manager. So I get the phone number. My supervisor who is a little overwhelmed at this point, is basically taking calls that are on hold that are like we there's like five hold lines. So I would say I have line one I have learned to each one of us would shout out what line we had, and I'm putting it on hold so that nobody would pick it. She would not listen. And my PICC lines, so she picks a line. That is the lady who I've just I'm like I'm gonna put you on hold. Let me get your cell phone number. So she hangs up on her. Well, I can't get an outside line again to call her on the cell phone to tell her that we've gotten the information to the right person or to I can't even get an outside line. The lines are so jammed. So

Gabe Hansen  14:25  
what's what's crazy about that, to me is the phone lines are not any better. Currently no capacity to handle calls. You got overloaded then with no cell phones? Well, very little. I mean, there was but not a couple of sub like imagine now every single person would call Yeah, and

Dawn Hansen  14:45  
actually during like 911 cell phone towers were absolutely swamped, which is why they created a system where if you're part of emergency services, you have priority listing on a cell phone tower. So any kind of first responder who is anticipated thing being needed and call like any of the sergeants who tend anybody sergeant and above and any SWAT officer, anybody that's going to be like the triage group at medical, any of that kind of thing needs to be on that priority list. And you can do that private cell phone. Yeah, your personal cell phone can go and register your cell phone with your cell phone carrier. So that they know that if this phone line comes through, it's a priority number and it should go through even like above you trying to call or whatever. Yeah, but of course, we found that text packets go through text packets are where it's at. It's text packets are

Gabe Hansen  15:34  
like quick, quick, go do something, just a couple sentences at most, you only need like, just a

Dawn Hansen  15:39  
tiny bit. Yeah, that's we go as opposed to a phone call, which is going to take much more. So you know, that is one really great thing. Anyway, so back to Thurston. So during this whole may have a phone calls and this goes on for hours and hours and hours. Like by this point, they already have kiplyn kinkle in custody, they already have the hospitals around full triage there. We already know who's been killed at the scene. What so?

Gabe Hansen  16:06  
How many in the end?

Dawn Hansen  16:08  
Yeah, so

Gabe Hansen  16:10  
there's probably details I don't know. So I actually it was just one guy, right?

Dawn Hansen  16:15  
Yeah, one shooter. Who and I honestly had to go to Wikipedia, because I was just like, I mean, I knew the details, but I didn't want to get it wrong. So to been over 23 years, right? I remember certain pieces very vividly, like the phone lines. But so to back up the story a little bit on May 20 1998.

Gabe Hansen  16:36  
So sorry, it happened on May 21. Like, right, so one day before, one day

Dawn Hansen  16:40  
before Kipland had was suspended from school for being in possession of a loaded stolen firearm. Okay, a friend of his had stolen a pistol from his father. Do you remember that? Okay. Yeah. And so our detective were then who if you watch the frontline on Kip Kinkel, they actually show the a little bit of the frontline. There's a Frontline. Very good HealthWatch. Yes. So kiplyn is brought to the station by the detective who takes them into an interview room. And there's some sort of altercation in the interview room where he was apparently not patted down quite right or something happened and he may have had a knife and pull it on the detective. So he confirmed or is that a may have not it's contrary if you watch frontline it? I don't know. Yeah. So they ended up calling his parent and having him come get him because our at the time our juvenile justice system may not have watched him. So they were like his parents would be best to take care of the situation. So he, yeah, okay. His parents are school teachers at Thurston High School. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So and lots of people in the in our, in our area. No knew them like they were well, well,

Gabe Hansen  17:58  
you're talking to Springfield back in 1998. That's 30,000 people.

Dawn Hansen  18:03  
Maybe 40. Maybe 40? Yeah.

Gabe Hansen  18:05  
Yeah, yeah.

Dawn Hansen  18:07  
Everybody. I mean, they still do, but it was even more. Well, I

Gabe Hansen  18:10  
mean, like, you got a community like Thurston because Thurston is a separate. It's like a sub community in Springfield, right? Yeah. So yeah, you Yeah, it's very easy for everyone.

Dawn Hansen  18:19  
And there's only two high schools in the whole city. So I mean, yeah. So the the, he goes home. He I don't know what time this happens. I think it does explain on the frontline what happens but at home in the afternoon. It sounds like his parents say, Hey, you're off to military school. We're done with this mess. And there's a lot of history about his behaviors and things that have been imagined. Yeah. And then apparently, Kim Kip actually confessed to his father that at the kitchen table while they're drinking coffee and tells him about a rifle in his bedroom and ammunition from his parents bedroom. And so apparently, that's when he shot his father in the back of the head and dragged his body into the bathroom. This is after this is before the 20th. Okay, so he goes home after his interaction because it makes like, he got arrested. He got home, he gets home. They have a little chat. He's told he's gonna go to military school.

Gabe Hansen  19:17  
I'm a little confused then. So is it after the school shooting? No, no. Okay, so the 20th It's all the 20th He goes to get suspended from school. Yeah, his parents come and get him. His dad does. Okay, because it may sound like they arrested him after school shooting and then he was sent home. Oh, I'm sorry. No. Yeah, you're right. So 20 Yep. He goes home for being suspended from school. He talks to his dad.

Dawn Hansen  19:39  
He goes home from being arrested with spending. He

Gabe Hansen  19:43  
was wrestling 20th Yes. Oh, released to his fingers. That's why I go Yeah, absolutely. We got to the rest of the 20th You're having a gun at school. Parents take them home. This makes sense why they got really snow. I thought it got released after the school shooting. I was like, Oh no, that's why my reaction was like what Okay, I got it. Yeah. Okay. So he gets wrestled 20th He comes home, says no kitchen table,

Dawn Hansen  20:06  
dad tells him to military school, he goes and gets a gun and kills his dad and drags him into the bathroom covers him with a sheet. He waits till his mother gets home at like 630 that night, meets her in the garage and then shot her. Okay, dragged her and uncovered her with a sheet. Okay, and then it sounds like he prepares for the rest of that night into the next day, or what he's going to do. Yeah. Okay. So then on the 21st, which is the day of the shooting, he gets in his mother's car goes to the high school. He has a trench coat and in the trench coat hit sounds like he has five weapons hunting knives, rifle, pistol and ammunition. Lots of ammunition like over 1000 rounds.

Gabe Hansen  20:55  
That's That's heavy.

Dawn Hansen  20:56  
He parks a ways away. Yeah,

Gabe Hansen  20:58  
a lot of poundage of gear.

Dawn Hansen  21:00  
Yeah. All right. That's all to carry. He walks in he hikes into the campus area and goes I don't know the campus well, but it sounds like really. There's some sort of area where he shoots and fatally kills Ben Walker, who's one of the people outside and he specially the fraud. He wounds another guy, Ryan Atterbury. And then he goes to the cafeteria, and that's where the

Gabe Hansen  21:28  
what God did to us.

Dawn Hansen  21:31  
That part do I know? I don't know. I don't know.

Gabe Hansen  21:36  
I thought it was like a handgun or a hunting rifle.

Dawn Hansen  21:39  
I think at one point he's in he's doing something with a rifle. But yeah, we can always use the cafeteria. Go to the cafeteria. Any fires? Oh, from a rifle sounds like 48 rifles from a rifle he wounds 24 students and fatally wounded 17 year old Mikhail Nicola Nicola Lawson. He fired 50 rounds. 30 of them struck students and killed two. And our estimate 300 students were present during the shooting. And the main one of the things that happened was as he went to reload to students end up going after him Jacob Riker tackles him and a couple other students. There's another I think his brothers there. Jacobs. And at that point, kinkel drew Ngoc from his belt, and he fired one shot. And before he was disarmed, that's what injures Riker and another student, and then he starts yelling, just kill me Just kill me.

Gabe Hansen  22:47  
Yeah. I remember hearing about that part. Yeah. So

Dawn Hansen  22:49  
on our end, the calls come in Tracy tells you about the first call, where she's just like, Gus, you know, it's a prank. It's a prank call. And then the the next set of calls are from all over the school. There's the librarians. There's people who are drugged, the injured from, you know, dragging them out of there. They have them subdued, but they're still fighting with him. One of our motor officers happened to be right close to there. And as Dan bishop, and then Donny Meyers Jr, who is in that area patrolling, they both get their super fast rolling, running as fast as they can to get into the campus to get a hold of Kip Kinkel. And I just, I'll never forget the audio from the radio traffic, because I've heard it a couple times. And I just can't imagine how the one dispatcher handled all of this. But the voice of Donnie Meyers, who's you know, we've got the shooter, we've got the shooter. And, you know, it's, it was a struggle fight and he was cuffed and it was slippery. There was blood everywhere. It was it was a messy scene. All of the police department empties out detectives every possible, you know, truck car.

Gabe Hansen  24:01  
Well, I remember seeing the possible school shooter we're gonna have Sheldon

Dawn Hansen  24:05  
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Gabe Hansen  24:09  
You know, I forget who said it, but somebody said it, like one of the cops had said that, like, people who rolled out to respond are cops that hadn't rolled out in like, 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. So like,

Dawn Hansen  24:22  
people poured out of the sheriff's office to come, you know, they state troopers. Everyone in the area, everyone in the area. I remember the miracle story. We'll get to that. Okay. That's a good one. Anyway, so

Gabe Hansen  24:37  
the the I just remembered the miracle story as well.

Dawn Hansen  24:41  
And part of the miracles anyway, so back to the so that the sheriff's office realizes that Kipps at school and this is he's they figured out Gosh, let's check on his parents. Nobody I've seen his parents. So when they get out to his house, they find explore It says everywhere. There's homemade bombs of some kind. It's not covered in the Wikipedia, which is interesting, but

Gabe Hansen  25:10  
it's probably not really known. It should be because it's I think it's in the frontline. But they been a lot of years. So I'm like it matters.

Dawn Hansen  25:17  
So Gemfields was a sergeant for Eugene police who had been who was part of their bomb squad. So they had to be called out there. They couldn't even clear the house until they had made sure that there wasn't any other bombs there that there weren't any other incendiary devices. His room was apparently full of bomb making equipment. There was I just remember Jim fields did a training about it, where he explained in detail, like, how much stuff

Gabe Hansen  25:44  
was there. And so when they say bomb making equipment, what does it mean

Dawn Hansen  25:47  
exactly? Well, and that's not my forte, I don't always draw attention to

Gabe Hansen  25:51  
happen to know this particular I, I don't really

Dawn Hansen  25:55  
know off the top of my head. At one point, I might have known it the best probably 20 years ago, just because

Gabe Hansen  26:00  
I know how to make bombs depending on what kind of bomb and we technically at bomb equipment here. Oh, yeah,

Dawn Hansen  26:05  
yeah, yeah. But I was like, they had pictures in his room of like a, you know, like a not detonated missile kind of looking thing like a, like a tall shell thing. But you can get like an army surplus store. Yeah. So I don't know if that had been also been packed with something to make it not, you know, docile, or whatever the right word is. Anyway,

Gabe Hansen  26:26  
make it boom, boom,

Dawn Hansen  26:27  
yeah, we'll make it go boom, boom, or not go

Gabe Hansen  26:30  
help me, because I'm like, technically, depending on what you're talking. We have, we have, you know, cleaning supplies, which are technically bomb making materials, right? Or at least poisonous gas making materials like, right.

Dawn Hansen  26:44  
And I know that that's that I don't really know. I was just to be fair. Anyways. Anyway, so it was. Yeah. So that that was sort of what happened on that part of it to go back to the what's happening. Meanwhile, back at the police department itself, and the phone calls and what's happening there. At one point, during the phone calls, like the scenes now under control, he's in custody. We know that there's more that's going to happen with the whole case. And a phone call comes in from Betty who is Bill Clinton's secretary. So Bill Clinton was with president at the time. So Betty, she says, you know, this is the office of the president united states. I'm trying to reach the highest ranking official to talk about this case. And I'm still relatively new. I've never worked a big incident like this. Oh, you took the call? Yeah. Oh, okay. Big incident like this. I knew that was important. I knew that that would be an important piece. But I figured that I didn't know the words press release or, you know, a press conference like that and stuff. And I knew it, but I didn't. I'd never had experienced it here. Yeah. So I said, Okay, well, buddy, let me see if I can get you through to City Hall remembering my last go around with trying to get a cell phone and talking to the city manager's office. So I tell everybody in the room, park, you know, Park number four, or hole number four is for me is the president. I say that three times. I didn't realize that my supervisor was out of the room for this particular announcement. So she

Gabe Hansen  28:17  
does she hang up on this? She picks up the

Dawn Hansen  28:19  
phone. I don't care if you're the pope calling from Italy. There is no way you're getting through to anybody right now. I will let them know. It's true. It's true. But I will let them know that you have called

Gabe Hansen  28:35  
the president. Awesome. I wish we'd record first of all hold hanging up on the president. That's funny. But how the how do you have like their office know how the president office Oh, that fast?

Dawn Hansen  28:49  
I assume. And I mean, this This is so

Gabe Hansen  28:52  
because you're saying like it picked up nationally. wines are still bogged down.

Dawn Hansen  28:57  
Yeah. But it starts to this is like hours later. So we're probably that'll happen in the morning. I'm guessing now. But I would think that was like around 11 to noon ish kind of times, which would have been like two or three back East. And you know, DC time, Bob just saying but I think the national news had picked it up. And so they there were you can see pictures from that time frame where you can see where the sergeant who was Sergeant aegerter was the one that was from our patrol response. And he's an awesome booming voice and he gets on the radio and tells everybody I want this entire campus shut down. So he does it's all like fenced and locked. Yeah, but then along the fence line is all of the big trucks with the big booms and the you know, satellite feeds and I don't even know all of the the TV truck TV trucks. There's probably CNN was there

Gabe Hansen  29:48  
as fast it was crazy fast.

Dawn Hansen  29:50  
It was it felt like it was within an hour but I mean, it timeline is you know, they probably came down from Portland or came up from I don't know, they were there quick.

Gabe Hansen  29:59  
I mean, I started just thinking like, now it would make sense that anything like news got federal government like, good no have a school shooting in like minutes?

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